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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
		<link>http://rayharvey.org/index.php/2010/03/are-organic-foods-worth-the-price/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WastedEnergy:  Where in my post did I intimate that organic supporters were &quot;dumb&quot;?  I clearly explained one example, out of the thousands available, of the green/enviro hypocrisy.  Why won&#039;t you comment on what I actually said?  Do you want more examples of the hypocrisy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WastedEnergy:  Where in my post did I intimate that organic supporters were &#8220;dumb&#8221;?  I clearly explained one example, out of the thousands available, of the green/enviro hypocrisy.  Why won&#8217;t you comment on what I actually said?  Do you want more examples of the hypocrisy?</p>
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		<title>By: WastedEnergy</title>
		<link>http://rayharvey.org/index.php/2010/03/are-organic-foods-worth-the-price/comment-page-1/#comment-552</link>
		<dc:creator>WastedEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And...sometimes it doesn&#039;t even cost more, either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230;sometimes it doesn&#8217;t even cost more, either!</p>
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		<title>By: WastedEnergy</title>
		<link>http://rayharvey.org/index.php/2010/03/are-organic-foods-worth-the-price/comment-page-1/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>WastedEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stacy, not everyone who supports organic food is as dumb as you think.  Sometimes, there is nothing as tasty as a juicy steak - truly free range and grass fed, of course!  And you really should give organic cheese a whirl sometime.  It has a lot less growth hormone and other crap in it than the stuff you can get at the supermarket!

Of course, we all know Whole Paycheck overcharges for certain things, and have to be wary.  But all it takes is a little &quot;using your noodle&quot; to know the difference between what is really worth the extra bucks and what is just hype!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacy, not everyone who supports organic food is as dumb as you think.  Sometimes, there is nothing as tasty as a juicy steak &#8211; truly free range and grass fed, of course!  And you really should give organic cheese a whirl sometime.  It has a lot less growth hormone and other crap in it than the stuff you can get at the supermarket!</p>
<p>Of course, we all know Whole Paycheck overcharges for certain things, and have to be wary.  But all it takes is a little &#8220;using your noodle&#8221; to know the difference between what is really worth the extra bucks and what is just hype!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cochrane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Cochrane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are Organic Foods Worth The Price?&quot;

Certainly, as long as there are enough gullible idiots willing to pay it, then yes - they are worth the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are Organic Foods Worth The Price?&#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly, as long as there are enough gullible idiots willing to pay it, then yes &#8211; they are worth the price.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
		<link>http://rayharvey.org/index.php/2010/03/are-organic-foods-worth-the-price/comment-page-1/#comment-491</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heifer International is a nonprofit organization which encourages you to buy a goat or cow or chicken for a family in an impoverished country. One goat can mean the difference between living and dying. How might a green/sustainable/environmental/globalist/animal rights activist weigh the issue?  On one hand, they believe wealthy nations should share your resources with people who struggle daily to find food to eat.  On the other hand, they believe livestock are evil because of the vast amounts of natural pollutants they emit into the air.  Do they truly want you to send a goat to Cambodia? Calculate the carbon footprint of that one goat and they may decide to let the people starve in order to save the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heifer International is a nonprofit organization which encourages you to buy a goat or cow or chicken for a family in an impoverished country. One goat can mean the difference between living and dying. How might a green/sustainable/environmental/globalist/animal rights activist weigh the issue?  On one hand, they believe wealthy nations should share your resources with people who struggle daily to find food to eat.  On the other hand, they believe livestock are evil because of the vast amounts of natural pollutants they emit into the air.  Do they truly want you to send a goat to Cambodia? Calculate the carbon footprint of that one goat and they may decide to let the people starve in order to save the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://rayharvey.org/index.php/2010/03/are-organic-foods-worth-the-price/comment-page-1/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s a fair point, Nick, in a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s a fair point, Nick, in a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;d rephrase the title to something like &quot;Are Organic Foods Healthier?&quot;

Are they worth the price? Sure. It certainly  seems so. If people are buying them at the current price, then that&#039;s what they&#039;re worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;d rephrase the title to something like &#8220;Are Organic Foods Healthier?&#8221;</p>
<p>Are they worth the price? Sure. It certainly  seems so. If people are buying them at the current price, then that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Redmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ray

I forwarded this post to a blogger I have corresponding with - he is over at http://wastedenergy.net/
In any case I thought his response to me was worth sharing, so here it is, posted with permission.
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Aye, the word &quot;organic&quot; is almost as abused as &quot;sustainable&quot; these days.  People seem to forget that the beginning of &quot;organic&quot; agriculture was in the &quot;freeganism&quot; (actually free food, not the dumpster-diving that has corrupted the word today) of plots grown in abandoned lots in Berkeley in the 60&#039;s...a decade whose history has been so thoroughly written and overwritten that today kids think they are starting a revolution by &quot;jamming out&quot; at a Phish show. Yeah, rock out!  (Just make sure you get stoned out of your gourds enough that you&#039;ll never be able to think a truly revolutionary thought)
 
Maybe they should listen to Cake first:
 
Excess ain&#039;t rebellion.
You&#039;re drinking what they&#039;re selling.
Your self-destruction doesn&#039;t hurt them.
Your chaos won&#039;t convert them.
They&#039;re so happy to rebuild it.
You&#039;ll never really kill it.
 
Meanwhile, Malcolm X is rolling over in his grave...And back to organics, now of course Stonyfield Farms is convinced they are saving the world by selling their product in Wal-Mart...talk about useful idiots!  I posted recently about the atrazine scare and the &quot;gender bender&quot; effects on frogs - strange how we only seem to care about pollution when it makes us gay.  Meanwhile the EPA, as usual, is probably going to play &quot;whack-a-mole&quot; and put some restrictions on its use all while ignoring the much larger effects of eutrophic runoff and monocropping, of which &quot;Big Organic&quot; is just as guilty as Monsanto and ADM.  Hey, why does all my organic produce come from California?  We actually have more fertile soil here out on the East Coast...(I live in Washington, DC)
I love the flyer campaigns PETA is putting out these days promoting veganism too.  Featuring celebrities like Joaquin Phoenix and others who have gone insane, likely from Vitamin B12 deficiency!
 
And of course, one of the oldest pesticides used by humans is also one of the deadliest: nicotiana rustica, also known as tobacco...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ray</p>
<p>I forwarded this post to a blogger I have corresponding with &#8211; he is over at <a href="http://wastedenergy.net/" rel="nofollow">http://wastedenergy.net/</a><br />
In any case I thought his response to me was worth sharing, so here it is, posted with permission.<br />
______________<br />
Aye, the word &#8220;organic&#8221; is almost as abused as &#8220;sustainable&#8221; these days.  People seem to forget that the beginning of &#8220;organic&#8221; agriculture was in the &#8220;freeganism&#8221; (actually free food, not the dumpster-diving that has corrupted the word today) of plots grown in abandoned lots in Berkeley in the 60&#8242;s&#8230;a decade whose history has been so thoroughly written and overwritten that today kids think they are starting a revolution by &#8220;jamming out&#8221; at a Phish show. Yeah, rock out!  (Just make sure you get stoned out of your gourds enough that you&#8217;ll never be able to think a truly revolutionary thought)</p>
<p>Maybe they should listen to Cake first:</p>
<p>Excess ain&#8217;t rebellion.<br />
You&#8217;re drinking what they&#8217;re selling.<br />
Your self-destruction doesn&#8217;t hurt them.<br />
Your chaos won&#8217;t convert them.<br />
They&#8217;re so happy to rebuild it.<br />
You&#8217;ll never really kill it.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Malcolm X is rolling over in his grave&#8230;And back to organics, now of course Stonyfield Farms is convinced they are saving the world by selling their product in Wal-Mart&#8230;talk about useful idiots!  I posted recently about the atrazine scare and the &#8220;gender bender&#8221; effects on frogs &#8211; strange how we only seem to care about pollution when it makes us gay.  Meanwhile the EPA, as usual, is probably going to play &#8220;whack-a-mole&#8221; and put some restrictions on its use all while ignoring the much larger effects of eutrophic runoff and monocropping, of which &#8220;Big Organic&#8221; is just as guilty as Monsanto and ADM.  Hey, why does all my organic produce come from California?  We actually have more fertile soil here out on the East Coast&#8230;(I live in Washington, DC)<br />
I love the flyer campaigns PETA is putting out these days promoting veganism too.  Featuring celebrities like Joaquin Phoenix and others who have gone insane, likely from Vitamin B12 deficiency!</p>
<p>And of course, one of the oldest pesticides used by humans is also one of the deadliest: nicotiana rustica, also known as tobacco&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://rayharvey.org/index.php/2010/03/are-organic-foods-worth-the-price/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anna mong, &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peeps&lt;/a&gt;? They&#039;re loaded with toxins, I virtually guarantee it. 

And I don&#039;t recommend you eating them any more than I recommend you eating your kids.

ScummyD, that&#039;s fantastic -- almost as fantastic as your name. Report back and let us know what lovely wife has to say about your I-told-you-so. I wonder if she&#039;ll capitulate.

Thank you for dropping by. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anna mong, <a href="" rel="nofollow">peeps</a>? They&#8217;re loaded with toxins, I virtually guarantee it. </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t recommend you eating them any more than I recommend you eating your kids.</p>
<p>ScummyD, that&#8217;s fantastic &#8212; almost as fantastic as your name. Report back and let us know what lovely wife has to say about your I-told-you-so. I wonder if she&#8217;ll capitulate.</p>
<p>Thank you for dropping by. </p>
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		<title>By: Redmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ray

Wonderful post as usual, filled with pertinent and important information for those of us trying to make rational decisions in this complicated world.

To further your point, another thing that the organic food movement has done is created a class based food distinction, as you point at the end of your piece.

The more fortunate among us now have another thing with which to separate themselves from the poor, and it also allows them to ameliorate their guilt over their outrageous &quot;ecological footprint&quot; that any &quot;Environmentalist&quot; would think they have.
_______________________________________
Indeed, organic food activists are increasingly open about their fraudulent agenda. Organic Valley Marketing Director Theresa Marquez, for instance, laid out, in no uncertain terms, her strategy of falsifying data to dupe the masses into thinking organics are worth their premium price:

“We think it’s important that people pay more for food,” she said. “The question is: ‘Will consumers pay more for that?’ and ‘How can we convince them to do that?’”
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In the past, the rich would eat at fancier restaurants, or go to specialty shops to get their higher priced items, but would most likely do the bulk of their shopping at the local grocery store.

Now the local grocery store stocks &quot;organic&quot; items, and and people can demonstrate their moral superiority by paying too much for carrots.

It is interesting to note, that it was once white bread that was reserved for the upper classes and dark bread for the peasants - that is now nicely reversed. 

Tied to that is that the rich were also once known as &quot;Fat Cats&quot; due to the fact that they had a much higher caloric intake than the general population.

That has now too reversed, and it is the poor and morally degenerate who are overweight.

Not too say that highly processed wheat flour doesn&#039;t clog up your colon.
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Another thing to note - if we gave up on &quot;unnatural&quot; fertilizers and mandated that all food be organic, we would then have to cut down every forest in North America to feed the population.
How is that for eco-friendly?
Luckily the environmentalists have already figured that one out - reduce the global population to one 16th its current size(check out the book &quot;Times Up&quot; endorsed by none other than climate conspirator James Hansen), then we can all be peasant farmers, engaged in morally uplifting manual labour, cultivating &quot;organic&quot; produce for our green overlords.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ray</p>
<p>Wonderful post as usual, filled with pertinent and important information for those of us trying to make rational decisions in this complicated world.</p>
<p>To further your point, another thing that the organic food movement has done is created a class based food distinction, as you point at the end of your piece.</p>
<p>The more fortunate among us now have another thing with which to separate themselves from the poor, and it also allows them to ameliorate their guilt over their outrageous &#8220;ecological footprint&#8221; that any &#8220;Environmentalist&#8221; would think they have.<br />
_______________________________________<br />
Indeed, organic food activists are increasingly open about their fraudulent agenda. Organic Valley Marketing Director Theresa Marquez, for instance, laid out, in no uncertain terms, her strategy of falsifying data to dupe the masses into thinking organics are worth their premium price:</p>
<p>“We think it’s important that people pay more for food,” she said. “The question is: ‘Will consumers pay more for that?’ and ‘How can we convince them to do that?’”<br />
_______________________________________</p>
<p>In the past, the rich would eat at fancier restaurants, or go to specialty shops to get their higher priced items, but would most likely do the bulk of their shopping at the local grocery store.</p>
<p>Now the local grocery store stocks &#8220;organic&#8221; items, and and people can demonstrate their moral superiority by paying too much for carrots.</p>
<p>It is interesting to note, that it was once white bread that was reserved for the upper classes and dark bread for the peasants &#8211; that is now nicely reversed. </p>
<p>Tied to that is that the rich were also once known as &#8220;Fat Cats&#8221; due to the fact that they had a much higher caloric intake than the general population.</p>
<p>That has now too reversed, and it is the poor and morally degenerate who are overweight.</p>
<p>Not too say that highly processed wheat flour doesn&#8217;t clog up your colon.<br />
&#8212;<br />
Another thing to note &#8211; if we gave up on &#8220;unnatural&#8221; fertilizers and mandated that all food be organic, we would then have to cut down every forest in North America to feed the population.<br />
How is that for eco-friendly?<br />
Luckily the environmentalists have already figured that one out &#8211; reduce the global population to one 16th its current size(check out the book &#8220;Times Up&#8221; endorsed by none other than climate conspirator James Hansen), then we can all be peasant farmers, engaged in morally uplifting manual labour, cultivating &#8220;organic&#8221; produce for our green overlords.</p>
<p>ECO-SERFS</p>
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		<title>By: anna mong</title>
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		<dc:creator>anna mong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 03:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hope all you peeps enjoy your sythetic pesticides 
and enjoy the tumors on your organs you get from 
consuming them but don&#039;t malign those of us who
dont want to eat them and our kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hope all you peeps enjoy your sythetic pesticides<br />
and enjoy the tumors on your organs you get from<br />
consuming them but don&#8217;t malign those of us who<br />
dont want to eat them and our kids.</p>
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		<title>By: ScummyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScummyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again, Ray. This piece couldn&#039;t have come at a better time. Me and my wife have been going back and forth about organics the last few weeks. She wants us to buy organic and I have been hesitant to pay more for them and have been questioning why we should do it. A link to your article here is patiently waiting in her email inbox now with the title &quot;No more organics for me or see I told you so!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again, Ray. This piece couldn&#8217;t have come at a better time. Me and my wife have been going back and forth about organics the last few weeks. She wants us to buy organic and I have been hesitant to pay more for them and have been questioning why we should do it. A link to your article here is patiently waiting in her email inbox now with the title &#8220;No more organics for me or see I told you so!&#8221;</p>
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