Michael Moore Caught Blatantly Lying

Here’s Michael Moore in an interview from 2002:

“I’m a millionaire, I’m a multi-millionaire. I’m filthy rich. You know why I’m a multi-millionaire? ‘Cause multi-millions like what I do. That’s pretty good, isn’t it? There’s millions that believe in what I do. Pretty cool, huh?”

“That was the same year as ‘Bowling for Columbine’ and two years before his big success with ‘Fahrenheit 9/11,’ so however many multi-millions he had banked at the time, he’s got more now — and that’s not counting the millions he claims he’s owed but hasn’t received.”

(Source).

Now watch Michael Moore, just last week, caught lying through his teeth:




In related news, Peter Schiff, an economist and financial adviser whom I much admire, confronts Wall Street protesters and asks them very basic questions the answers to which they do not know:





One woman who was recruited from a homeless shelter to protest and then canvass as part of a campaign ostensibly aimed at home foreclosures told Fox, “I get the money and then the money is being used for Occupy Wall Street—to pay for all of it, for supplies, food, transportation, salaries, for everything … all that money is going to pay for the protests downtown and that’s just messed up. It’s just wrong.” So in case you were wondering how they can afford the new Port-a-Potties, there you go.

21 Comments

  • KJJ

    October 27, 2011

    ~“[Our nation] not only churns out illiterate students BUT GOES OUT OF ITS WAY TO REMAIN IGNORANT AND STUPID [sic].”

    I think he has a point here.

    ~” Moore excitedly exclaims “I’m a millionaire, I’m a multi-millionaire. I’m filthy rich. You know why I’m a multi-millionaire? ‘Cause multi-millions like what I do. That’s pretty good, isn’t it? There’s millions that believe in what I do. Pretty cool, huh?”

    Was he being sarcastic? Maybe.

    ~Adoption, Fostering, Orphans, AIDS, Children, Education, Health, Poverty, Weapons Reduction,Raising Malawi

    At least he gives a lot back.
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    I do understand where you are coming from when you bash his money but in my opinion he is one of those people that tries to find out what everyone wants to know… What is our government really doing? I would rather listen to him then someone in office. I would believe him before I ever believe anyone in office. (not saying I do but it does make you think..Oh my I think )

    I’ve said it before and I will again: people will believe the ones who make them feel heard, feel like that person understands, that person speaks to me.

    The truth from me is I like what I hear but don’t believe a F%$#ing word anyone says :-) excuse my language.

  • KJJ

    October 27, 2011

    I wanted to share what I found: AND I LOVE IT!

    ~October 27th, 2011 7:46 AM
    Life Among the 1%
    By Michael Moore

    Twenty-two years ago this coming Tuesday, I stood with a group of factory workers, students and the unemployed in the middle of the downtown of my birthplace, Flint, Michigan, to announce that the Hollywood studio, Warner Bros., had purchased the world rights to distribute my first movie, ‘Roger & Me.’ A reporter asked me, “How much did you sell it for?”

    “Three million dollars!” I proudly exclaimed. A cheer went up from the union guys surrounding me. It was absolutely unheard of for one of us in the working class of Flint (or anywhere) to receive such a sum of money unless one of us had either robbed a bank or, by luck, won the Michigan lottery. On that sunny November day in 1989, it was like I had won the lottery — and the people I had lived and struggled with in Michigan were thrilled with my success. It was like, one of us had made it, one of us finally had good fortune smile upon us. The day was filled with high-fives and “Way-ta-go Mike!”s. When you are from the working class you root for each other, and when one of you does well, the others are beaming with pride — not just for that one person’s success, but for the fact that the team had somehow won, beating the system that was brutal and unforgiving and which ran a game that was rigged against us. We knew the rules, and those rules said that we factory town rats do not get to make movies or be on TV talk shows or have our voice heard on any national stage. We were to shut up, keep our heads down, and get back to work. If by some miracle one of us escaped and commandeered a mass audience and some loot to boot — well, holy mother of God, watch out! A bully pulpit and enough cash to raise a ruckus — that was an incendiary combination, and it only spelled trouble for those at the top.

    Until that point I had been barely getting by on unemployment, collecting $98 a week. Welfare. The dole. My car had died back in April so I had gone seven months with no vehicle. Friends would take me out to dinner, always coming up with an excuse to celebrate or commemorate something and then picking up the check so I would not have to feel the shame of not being able to afford it.

    And now, all of a sudden, I had three million bucks! What would I do with it? There were men in suits making many suggestions to me, and I could see how those without a strong moral sense of social responsibility could be easily lead down the “ME” path and quickly forget about the “WE.”

    So I made some easy decisions back in 1989:

    1. I would first pay all my taxes. I told the guy who did my 1040 not to declare any deductions other than the mortgage and to pay the full federal, state and city tax rate. I proudly contributed nearly 1 million dollars for the privilege of being a citizen of this great country.

    2. Of the remaining $2 million, I decided to divide it up the way I once heard the folksinger/activist Harry Chapin tell me how he lived: “One for me, one for the other guy.” So I took half the money — $1 million — and established a foundation to give it all away.

    3. The remaining million went like this: I paid off all my debts, paid off the debts of some friends and family members, bought my parents a new refrigerator, set up college funds for our nieces and nephews, helped rebuild a black church that had been burned down in Flint, gave out a thousand turkeys at Thanksgiving, bought filmmaking equipment to send to the Vietnamese (my own personal reparations for a country we had ravaged), annually bought 10,000 toys to give to Toys for Tots at Christmas, got myself a new American-made Honda, and took out a mortgage on an apartment above a Baby Gap in New York City.

    4. What remained went into a simple, low-interest savings account. I made the decision that I would never buy a share of stock (I didn’t understand the casino known as the New York Stock Exchange and I did not believe in investing in a system I did not agree with).

    5. Finally, I believed the concept of making money off your money had created a greedy, lazy class who didn’t produce any product, just misery and fear among the populace. They invented ways to buy out companies and then shut them down. They dreamed up schemes to play with people’s pension funds as if it were their own money. They demanded companies keep posting record profits (which was accomplished by firing thousands and eliminating health benefits for those who remained). I made the decision that if I was going to earn a living, it would be done from my own sweat and ideas and creativity. I would produce something tangible, something others could own or be entertained by or learn from. My work would create employment for others, good employment with middle class wages and full health benefits.

    I went on to make more movies, produce TV series and write books. I never started a project with the thought, “I wonder how much money I can make at this?” And by never letting money be the motivating force for anything, I simply did exactly what I wanted to do. That attitude kept the work honest and unflinching — and that, in turn I believe, resulted in millions of people buying tickets to these films, tuning in to my TV shows, and buying my books.

    Which is exactly what has driven the Right crazy when it comes to me. How did someone from the left get such a wide mainstream audience?! This just isn’t supposed to happen (Noam Chomsky, sadly, will not be booked on The View today, and Howard Zinn, shockingly, didn’t make the New York Times bestseller list until after he died). That’s how the media machine is rigged — you are not supposed to hear from those who would completely change the system to something much better. Only wimpy liberals who urge caution and compromise and mild reforms get to have their say on the op-ed pages or Sunday morning chat shows.

    Somehow, I found a crack through the wall and made it through. I feel very blessed that I have this life — and I take none of it for granted. I believe in the lessons I was taught back in Catholic school — that if you end up doing well, you have an even greater responsibility to those who don’t fare the same. “The last shall be first and the first shall be last.” Kinda commie, I know, but the idea was that the human family was supposed to divide up the earth’s riches in a fair manner so that all of God’s children would have a life with little or no suffering.

    I do very well — and for a documentary filmmaker, I do extremely well. That, too, drives conservatives bonkers. “You’re rich because of capitalism!” they scream at me. Um, no. Didn’t you take Econ 101? Capitalism is a system, a pyramid scheme of sorts, that exploits the vast majority so that the few at the top can enrich themselves more. I make my money the old school, honest way by making things. Some years I earn a boatload of cash. Other years, like last year, I don’t have a job (no movie, no book) and so I make a lot less. “How can you claim to be for the poor when you are the opposite of poor?!” It’s like asking: “You’ve never had sex with another man — how can you be for gay marriage?!” I guess the same way that an all-male Congress voted to give women the vote, or scores of white people marched with Martin Luther Ling, Jr. (I can hear these righties yelling back through history: “Hey! You’re not black! You’re not being lynched! Why are you with the blacks?!”). It is precisely this disconnect that prevents Republicans from understanding why anyone would give of their time or money to help out those less fortunate. It is simply something their brain cannot process. “Kanye West makes millions! What’s he doing at Occupy Wall Street?!” Exactly — he’s down there demanding that his taxes be raised. That, to a right-winger, is the definition of insanity. To everyone else, we are grateful that people like him stand up, even if and especially because it is against his own personal financial interest. It is specifically what that Bible those conservatives wave around demands of those who are well off.

    Back on that November day in 1989 when I sold my first film, a good friend of mine said this to me: “They have made a huge mistake giving someone like you a big check. This will make you a very dangerous man. And it proves that old saying right: ‘The capitalist will sell you the rope to hang himself with if he thinks he can make a buck off it.'”

    P.S. I will go to Oakland tomorrow afternoon to stand with Occupy Oakland against the out-of-control police.

  • ScummyD

    October 29, 2011

    “That’s how I spend my time, my energy, my money on trying to up end this system that I think is a system of violence. It’s a system that’s unfair to the average working person of this country. . .”

    -Michael Moore

    Moore is a poseur, a phony and a hypocrite. He purports to oppose “a system of violence” “that’s unfair,” but yet he advocates as a replacement just that: a statist system necessarily dependent on the monopoly of coercive force and violence, so that the government can confiscate private property from groups of Americans he thinks have too much in order to give it to groups of Americans he thinks have too little. The manner in which this redistribution of wealth is done is through taxation, which if opposed and resisted brings to your door, ultimately, gun wielding government agents to arrest and imprison you. He seeks to replace an amoral system built on equal opportunity and individual liberty with a restrictive authoritarian regime, where what is “fair” is dictated by government goons embedded in some distant capital who rely on hired guns to enforce their utopian dreams of social engineering.

  • ScummyD

    October 29, 2011

    “1. I would first pay all my taxes. I told the guy who did my 1040 not to declare any deductions other than the mortgage and to pay the full federal, state and city tax rate. I proudly contributed nearly 1 million dollars for the privilege of being a citizen of this great country.”

    -Moore

    I believe that Moore honestly would like to help the less well off. To what extent I’m not sure, but I give him the benefit of the doubt.

    But the idea that by handing over and having confiscated one’s private property by the government is some how noble and the standard of morality to strive for is absurd. Moore could have provided a greater level of assistance to many more truly needy people if, instead of refusing deductions and gorging a corrupt inefficient leviathan run by people who have risen to the top echelons of government through their own greed for power, influence and money, he donated that money to private not for profit charities.

    The list of abuse, waste and fraud inherent in government by politicians buying themselves power, influence and wealth with other people’s money could circle the globe innumerable times. Why is it that statists like Moore view the state as the fountainhead of beneficence and believe that, not only must we be happy and proud having our own personal private property confiscated by entrenched interests in far away capitals in order to help the downtrodden, but that we must also employ government guns to use against our neighbors to do it when our neighbors disagree with our opinions?

  • ScummyD

    October 29, 2011

    “. . .he [Moore] is one of those people that tries to find out what everyone wants to know . . . What is our government really doing? I would rather listen to him then someone in office. I would believe him before I ever believe anyone in office.”

    -KJJ

    So then why would you ever support Moore’s statist philosophy that seeks only to expand the size, scope and power of government over the individual? Do you not see the contradiction in your own comment here when placed in the context of the policies Moore advocates? Moore advocates more government not less. And thus he advocates less freedom from government not less. He advocates more costly government not less. You say he wants to know “What our government is really doing,” and that you would rather listen to him, the individual rather than government. But yet, apparently, you support growing the size of the very leviathan that you distrust over the individual and the beast that you don’t know what is “really doing.” Why?

  • KJJ

    October 29, 2011

    ScummyD… I said right after that- (not saying I do but it does make you think..Oh my I think )
    I’ve said it before and I will again: people will believe the ones who make them feel heard, feel like that person understands, that person speaks to me.
    The truth from me is I like what I hear but don’t believe a F%$#ing word anyone says :-) excuse my language.

    ~I don’t believe what anyone says when it comes to money. Money makes LIARS!!

    Please don’t leave out all of it. Thanks.

  • KJJ

    October 29, 2011

    I’m sorry but there is no equal opportunity…

    If that was the case all schools would teach the same whether you have money or not. Teacher don’t get paid what they deserve and teachers who can’t do their job should work for Micky D’s and get paid around the same wage. Teachers should be paid the same as doctors because they are a huge part of our lives and society. We act like it is a privilege to be able to go to school and learn.

    There is no equal anything in this life.. not anymore.

  • Dave Cochrane

    October 29, 2011

    KJJ: I don’t know where to start. “Teachers should be paid the same as doctors because they are a huge part of our lives and society.” Is that your argument? So, street cleaners are also a huge part of our lives and society, are they not? Should they be paid the same as doctors and teachers? How about TV manufacturers? TV is a really massive part of society, so lets pay TV manufacturers the same as doctors and teachers and street cleaners. Nuclear scientists? Newspaper editors? Footballers? Nurses? Refuse collectors? Lets just pay everyone who is a huge part of our lives and society a fair salary. We’ll worry about WHO pays later, ok? We can always print more if need be.
    Man, I’m serious here: in a truly free society, people are paid EXACTLY what they are worth. A product’s natural worth (or a skill’s worth, or a service’s worth) is determined by its availability and by its demand. That’s true of everything from precious stones to oncologists to sewer rats. And that’s not because someone passed a law to make it so. No one passed a law declaring that an oncologist (for example) is worth more than a meat butcher. And yet that is the natural outcome when people are free to spend their own earnings however they see fit. If you would rather live in a society where everyone is paid a “fair” wage, but necessarily everyone is forced to pay for any given product or service as much as whatever the Value Police think it should be worth, then you probably haven’t really thought it through far enough. “Oh my, I think!” Says you! “There is no equal in this life… not anymore.” Jesus H Fucking Christ, I pity you.

  • KJJ

    October 29, 2011

    Dave….
    Do street cleaners teacher you how to do Math, Read, Write, Social Studies, Science,?? Come on.

    TV manufacturers? All they do is try to sell you crap and get your children to ask for it.

    Are you saying teachers aren’t in demand or worth a decent pay? That teachers aren’t a huge part of why YOUR children get where they are in life? A teacher is worth $16 dollars a hour?

    {Dave- We’ll worry about WHO pays later, ok? -}.. we should be fixing it now. How the hell can you compare a teacher with a street cleaner?!? Both parents have to work so who teaches your children if you can’t?! They should be paid right for that and stop feeding prescription companies to feed our children drugs because there are so many kids in a class they can’t control them all.

    Where do you think this money we pay should be spent? Guns? War? Oil? Banks?

    If they want our money I would prefer it put somewhere I feel it needs the most… Schools, hospitals.

    Am I wrong for feeling that way? Why pity me? I care about kids and their future.. their health… you should be too.

    I wouldn’t mind paying taxes if I was able to decide where that money went.

    When I say – Oh my I think.. I say that because I am a little person in this big wide space we call America and my opinion doesn’t matter. I’m pissed off like everyone else.

    You’re mad at me because I have something to say that has effected my life and scares me that it will effect my sons?

    I can care less about my generation because we F%^&ed that up so bad, it’s my son generation and future ones I worry about.

    Please no pity party here.

  • Dale

    October 29, 2011

    Thank you, Dave. I love you, man.
    If teachers are worth so much, why do they need unions and politicians to boost their pay and free bennies?
    If teachers are so great, why is their collective so afraid of competition?

  • KJJ

    October 29, 2011

    So your mad at me for unions?

    I’m not familiar with them? I have heard of unions but please explain so I can understand more on why you’re so upset.

    Thanks. (I’m not saying that rudely, either) I mean it.

    Educate me, help me understand.

    Like I said, I like to hear others opinion, not saying I know everything. I only say what I wish to happen. If unions is why teachers are paid crappy, lets get rid of them and pay them another way.

    Also, what’s wrong with unions? Am I speaking with a bunch of corporate people in here? Is that why there is so much hostility to my opinions?

    Just questions. Please don’t jump down my throat.

  • KJJ

    October 29, 2011

    I said teacher… I meant teach your children…. No wonder no one wants to listen to me :-)

  • Dave Cochrane

    October 30, 2011

    KJJ: My lord, it gets worse!

    “Do street cleaners teacher you how to do Math, Read, Write, Social Studies, Science,?? Come on.”

    What do you mean “come on?” I never claimed street cleaners did any of that stuff did I?

    “TV manufacturers? All they do is try to sell you crap and get your children to ask for it.”

    Wrong. TV manufacturers manufacture TVs. That’s what they do. We then buy a TV from a choice of thousands, based on how badly we want it and how much we can afford it. That’s freedom.

    “Are you saying teachers aren’t in demand or worth a decent pay? That teachers aren’t a huge part of why YOUR children get where they are in life? A teacher is worth $16 dollars a hour?”

    No. I wouldn’t say something so brainless as that. And I’ve said some brainless things in my time (usually under the influence) – but nothing on that level, even when stoned. But as for what a teacher (or ANYONE) is “worth,” I refer you to my earlier statement which you obviously failed to grasp. Read it again. And yes, teachers are in demand. And that demand is being filled nicely (at least where I am).

    “{Dave- We’ll worry about WHO pays later, ok? -}.. we should be fixing it now. How the hell can you compare a teacher with a street cleaner?!? Both parents have to work so who teaches your children if you can’t?! They should be paid right for that and stop feeding prescription companies to feed our children drugs because there are so many kids in a class they can’t control them all.”

    KJJ: The comment about worrying who pays later was IRONY. But moving on. There is no shortage of teachers where I live (I don’t know about you). There is no shortage of people training to be teachers. If there were a shortage of teachers then we would clearly have to look at offering a bigger salary to entice more people into the profession.

    “Where do you think this money we pay should be spent? Guns? War? Oil? Banks?”

    This money? Are you referring to the extra money you want for teachers? I’ll tell you: you spend yours exactly how you like, and I’ll do the same. And we’ll both agree to keep our hands off each others. You wanna give more to teachers? You give your own. Start a collection fund. Do a sponsored sky-dive for teachers. Sell lemonade.

    “If they want our money I would prefer it put somewhere I feel it needs the most… Schools, hospitals.”

    IF they want our money? Hahaha! What do you mean: “If?” Man, there will never EVER be a shortage of people who want our money. But, quite frankly, I don’t CARE what you prefer to spend it on. Look: both you and I are free to send our kids to private schools if we wish (and if we can afford it). If you can’t afford it and you are not happy with the quality of your local school, then that’s just tough. You should have considered the cost of schooling BEFORE you had kids, rather than cry and whine to the rest of us that we should be paying more of our money for your kids’ education now. And speaking of education; you should seriously consider getting one for yourself. You write like a real fuckwit. Start with your local library, do some learnin’.

    “Am I wrong for feeling that way? Why pity me? I care about kids and their future.. their health… you should be too.”

    Absolutely you are wrong. I pity anyone with such limited intellect and blinkered vision. I pity anyone who has to hold out a begging bowl to the rest of society to pay for his kids’ health and future. It’s really sad.

    “I wouldn’t mind paying taxes if I was able to decide where that money went.”

    Amen, wouldn’t we all! But, it wouldn’t be a “tax” then, would it?

    “When I say – Oh my I think.. I say that because I am a little person in this big wide space we call America and my opinion doesn’t matter. I’m pissed off like everyone else.”

    But you clearly do NOT think. That was my point (and I can’t believe I had to explain it). You don’t think on any kind of deep level anyway. You think like an undeveloped, spoilt child.

    “You’re mad at me because I have something to say that has effected my life and scares me that it will effect my sons?”

    No, no, no, my friend. (And it’s “affected” – try using a spell-checker.) I’m mad at you because you think it’s fair that everyone else should pay for your kids’ education. Here’s a thought: Get a second job, spend less on luxury items, support your own kids. Or did you think when you were impregnating your woman: “It’ll be all right. Uncle Sam will look after us?” Nah, I’m betting you didn’t even consider the cost of their future at all. I’m also mad at you because you think that you – or anyone else – has the right to tell everyone else what someone or something is *worth* and force us to pay it. I’m mad at anyone who thinks they have a god-given right to declare that X is worth Y dollars. That’s just fucked up. It’s arrogance in the extreme.

    “I can care less about my generation because we F%^&ed that up so bad, it’s my son generation and future ones I worry about.”

    I have no idea what your generation is, but if the rest of them are like you, I sure as hell hope it’s a different generation to mine. And for fuck’s sake, stop hiding your swear words behind symbols. If you wanna say “fuck,” fucking say “FUCK!” No one’s gonna die.

    “Please no pity party here.”

    But I can’t help it. I read your words, and I just see an uneducated, poor, unhappy loser who’s greatest ambition is to expect others to give more money on his behalf. What’s not to pity about that! I also worry that you fill your kids’ heads up with that whining loser bullshit. How on earth are they to grow up into strong, independent, happy, hard-working, freedom-loving young adults if their father talks like such a loser? How are they expected to learn the value of anything when their father openly believes that value can be determined by authority? Jesus man, I’m scared for them.

  • KJJ

    October 30, 2011

    ~impregnating your woman: ~ I’m that woman, thank you.

    Education I have thank you and also I have my own business taking care of children. I hope my son grows up to be a very caring person who thinks of others not just himself.

    There is no need to be such a jerk and start calling me names.

    My opinion is just that, mine!

  • Dave Cochrane

    October 30, 2011

    KJJ: If you think that a caring person is someone who is happy for authority to fix income or value (for teachers or anyone/anything else) then I have news: that’s not caring, that’s authoritarian. Caring involves giving of oneself through CHOICE, not through imposition.

    As an aside, two of my best friends are school teachers, and I know they would resent your suggestion that I should pay more taxes to supplement their salaries. No one twisted their arms to go into the teaching profession. My heart doesn’t bleed for them as yours seems to – in fact in many ways I envy them, it’s clearly a very rewarding job, and they are doing just fine thank you very much.

    And get real – out of all my responses you choose to focus on a little name-calling? That’s your best? Break out the violins?

    Your opinion is indeed, as you say, “just yours” – and will continue to be so if you can’t back it up with even a modicum of logic. Without that it is just touchy-feely bullshit. I won’t hold my breath.

  • Dave Cochrane

    October 30, 2011

    Oops, should have said “Your opinion is indeed, as you say, “just that” – yours.” See what you made me do? ;)

  • KJJ

    October 30, 2011

    I never said anything about taxes when speaking of their pay! I just said I think they deserve it. Education and schools do need that kind of funding. You took what you wanted to out of my comments and turned them into whatever you thought it meant. You exaggerate my words. I have never once came on here and said “I know everything” I like to talk about things and hear what others think. Nothing wrong with that. You have taken everything I said and made me sound like a fool or ignorant person.

    There isn’t a thing wrong with me feeling like teachers deserve more. Schools deserve more. Our children deserve more. Why does my comment piss you off so bad. Am I not allowed to feel this way? Everyone is pissed off about the government and the way they spend our money.

    I know our government is shit and there is a lot to be fixed. I’m not on anyone’s side – left, right, middle , whatever.

  • Dale

    October 30, 2011

    Dave, what a rant. “I pity anyone who has to hold out a begging bowl to the rest of society to pay for his kids’ health and future. It’s really sad.”
    Amen, brother.

    KJJ, you just don’t get it. Let me boil it real simple. What do you mean when you say “Our children deserve more.”?
    In particular, it is the word “our”. You mean all the children, whether their parents agree with what you think “more” is, or not.
    What Dave and I want is the ability to choose a curriculum for our children, select the best schools, pay for what we get, no taxes or government intrusion. In other words, we would like choice in something besides abortion.
    But as long as “our” means “all except rich elites” when it comes to children, it means you want to raise our taxes, pay public unionized teachers more, and perpetuate the liberal indoctrination that YOU exhibit and has Dave so ticked off.

    Tell me about accountability in the coerced public school system. I personally know several young men, my son included, seriously damaged by the fact that lousy teachers are protected, given raises and pensions, because it is socially unacceptable to point at a lousy teacher and say “that’s a lousy teacher”.
    I do not claim all teachers lousy. I do claim there are lousy teachers and they are not held accountable for the harm they do to our children.
    All we ever hear is how terrible they have it.
    When was the last time someone asked WHY education costs are out of control, and have been for years?
    How much do they pay all those administrators, eh?

    Now, back to the discriminatory nature of liberal thinking.
    You are convinced of the nobility and worthiness of teachers. It is immoral, you think, that they get paid less than a doctor or whatever. So, we need to use the force of government to discriminate against non-teachers so that teachers can have more, make it fair.
    So, justice based on liberal morals requires discrimination? Mandates discrimination?
    Doesn’t “social justice” and “social discrimination” mean EXACTLY the same thing?
    As the recipient of liberal discriminate-against, I keep seeing my retirement age slipping away, while those that promote this sickness profit.

  • KJJ

    October 30, 2011

    Dale- Thank you for talking to me and clearing up what “the” points were.

    ~ I personally know several young men, my son included, seriously damaged by the fact that lousy teachers are protected, given raises and pensions, because it is socially unacceptable to point at a lousy teacher and say “that’s a lousy teacher”.
    I do not claim all teachers lousy. I do claim there are lousy teachers and they are not held accountable for the harm they do to our children.~ I agree.

    I said before that the crappy teachers should go work for Micky D’s while the teachers doing a great job are paid well for it. Public schools are a joke. That’s why my son will be home schooled. I don’t want to send him to a place where there are way too many kids to 1 teacher.

    I see your point and understand completely. Why Dave couldn’t just say something in this way instead of going off, I could understand his point better.

    I do feel our school system needs major help and schools shouldn’t just hire anyone off the street with a teaching degree. I think teachers need more then that especially dealing with so many children.

    I need to learn how to put my words more clearly and I speak easier in person then on paper. When I type my brain is going faster then my fingers :-) I just wish our school system was better, more like the Japanese. I’ve never claimed to know everything that’s why I keep coming back to learn more and more.

    Thanks again!

  • KJJ

    October 30, 2011

    Also, learning more of how we could fix the school system would be great.

    To make it very clear: I have no begging bowl here.

  • Dale

    October 30, 2011

    Dave is just pissed because, like me, he is tired of liberal shitheads feeding us moral tripe on the way to their next act of discrimination, which almost always costs us more for what we not only don’t want, but are often offended by.

    Oh, but we’re not liberals, so it’s okay to offend us. Just say we’re selfish and racist, and that we deserve to be discriminated against, tough shit if we’re offended. No matter how much it costs us.
    Oh, but use the ‘n’ word, for example, and find out who is allowed to offend, and who is not.
    Note that a particular set of tones – a single word – is considered more damaging than the trillions of liberal fraud and waste that offends taxpayers.

    Whenever I need to hire someone, the two most important traits are attitude and aptitude.
    If you want to fix public schools, you need a change in philosophy. You can’t conduct liberal indoctrination under the guise of education and expect anything other than poor results, e.g. Occupy Wall Street.
    Einstein wrote an essay on education. He placed far more value on motivating students than “teaching math” or some such. Once you get them interested, get out of the way.
    Let me put it another way. My education, like my health, is MY responsibility. If I am disinterested in education, the results will be poor.
    Focus on motivation, getting the children excited, and drill it into them that they will only get out what they put in. Personal responsibility.
    The other aspect, of course, is competition. Get rid of the union monopoly on this labor pool, and we’ll see an improvement.
    In contrast, those union teachers soil our children with social justice tripe, one key aspect in their deliberate degradation of our society on the way to Utopia.
    Vote Democrat, be a Helot. Brilliant.

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